I predict that this page will lead to a MASSIVE off-topic argument in the comments about gun control laws, the use of guns in self-defense, and the importance of a large clip size for a home defense weapon!
We had a kind of lower-key version of that last time guns came up, at the start of season 6 when Jake and his family were planning their expedition to Yeld. There was a lot of “Why don’t they have guns?” Which isn’t a ridiculous question, considering the circumstances. But I think a lot of people don’t understand that not everyone owns or likes guns, or considers them a good solution.
Also, even if they DID own guns, wasn’t their entrance to Yeld through a toilet into a lake? Most consumer firearms don’t take to water particularly well.
Uh huh. And Marah didn’t know that at the time. When Jake and his family were planning their trip they did know that, and could have prepared. But they don’t own guns.
there are pirate ships. there is no way the prince has that level of control over society.
the thing that stopped renaissance era people having guns was poverty and the manual effort of making good barrels.
the thing that allows gun control now is lack of interest. you could build a gun better than those from the renaissance using hardware store scrap.
Left. The side with the eye patch and stump. Not hard to puzzle together but there she is on the right all the same. Didn’t even have the good sense to have a secret machine gun under her hat. I blame the booze for such a sorry situation. Drink responsibly, kids!
In Marah’s defense, it looks like they ran in the direction of the guy that Cap’n shot, which would have put her on his right judging by their positioning in the first panel.
true. probably.
youtube, computer games and interest in science would answer that one.
describing basic modern gun ideas to a renaissance smith would probably result in several “d’oh” moments.
“if you put the ball and powder in a wax paper tube, and have the hammer thing hit that to set it off then you could fire quickly” = break action shotgun
especially after telling the captain “not where i come from”. thats a thing that would stick in the mind of any 16th century commander.
If I took the time to think about it I could probably basically describe how a gun works. And I suppose if I had the right tools and time I could build one. But theres a lot of stuff about guns that i just have no idea about.
Even just a vague description of modern firearms and ammunition could probably revolutionize the industry just by getting the manufacturers thinking about designs that might not have occurred to anyone for generations, skipping over decades or centuries of development.
Maybe. As I said in another response, there are all kinds of weird guns in Yeld. but they’re not particularly common or well known, and tend to be rare treasures owned by rich people. So someone in Yeld is making guns that are more than just a standard musket, but the captain has never seen one.
Not really. if there was a physical example for them, then maybe. But there are plenty of key problems that you would have to solve.
You have to go through the extensive testing of primers and casing. And then there is the question of whether the gunsmith could manufacture enough to keep up with demand? Otherwise, the revolver is useless.
Musket style weapons have an advantage that you only need very bare bones logistics. A barrell of gunpowder can be handled by the user as needed for various weapons. And the pirate’s favorite- the blunderbuss- shows that even bullets can be optional as long as you have an appropriate mass of metal junk on hand.
Pepper boxes are a more practical option when you have these kind of tech and manufacturing issues.
The issue isn’t with “knowing how they work,” the issue is with manufacturing.
The key to developing more advanced firearms is having a high enough precision in your manufacturing.
I read accounts from the 1800’s where people were amazed to find it possible to take a bolt from one rifle and it fit into another one.
The idea of having a completely self-enclosed cartridge in a firearm is just sci-fi nonsense unless you can get them all made to the exact same size and all fit into different rifles of the same style. Otherwise your gun will jam literally every shot.
When they make it back to the ship with crazy tales of multi-shot guns will Carlos try to upgrade the cannons? I’m sure Carlos will point out that stabbing is superior because you don’t have to reload a sword making Carlos want to upgrade the guns. Of course you can’t go pirating if all of your cannons are being experimented on, so in his wisdom Captain Jasper will just keep the mad ramblings of this girl to himself.
Well, there could be pepper boxes. Which are basically just musket style pistols with a ton of extra barrels that you can rotate around for the next shot. It was a precursor to the revolver.
Of course, I would imagine they are relatively dangerous in actual practice. Particularly with the craftsmanship and maintenance you’d expect from pirate weapons. Even if you’ve seen videos of them firing, those are usually replicas or well maintained antiques that were well made to begin with.
Yeld does have some weird guns, but they are few and far between, and mostly custom made for the rich or restricted to the royal armies. So the Captain has probably never seen them. These are all from the Yeld RPG:
The real question is, why did Jaspar waste his one shot on the tooth facer? Considering he’s basically a bag of bugs, shooting him doesn’t seem likely to be very effective. Shooting either of the other too would accomplish more.
Doesn’t bring a gun. Doesn’t stay on his left side. She’d better hope that armour activates soon or he may decide she’s not worth the trouble.
I predict that this page will lead to a MASSIVE off-topic argument in the comments about gun control laws, the use of guns in self-defense, and the importance of a large clip size for a home defense weapon!
Or maybe not, this isn’t youtube.
We had a kind of lower-key version of that last time guns came up, at the start of season 6 when Jake and his family were planning their expedition to Yeld. There was a lot of “Why don’t they have guns?” Which isn’t a ridiculous question, considering the circumstances. But I think a lot of people don’t understand that not everyone owns or likes guns, or considers them a good solution.
Also, even if they DID own guns, wasn’t their entrance to Yeld through a toilet into a lake? Most consumer firearms don’t take to water particularly well.
Uh huh. And Marah didn’t know that at the time. When Jake and his family were planning their trip they did know that, and could have prepared. But they don’t own guns.
Not true. Modern commercial ammunition can typically survive immersion.
She’s not doing a great job of staying to his left…
Ha ha ha
Giant snakes, yes
Revolvers, no
Something tells me the Prince would monopolize that market. Can’t have the populace with powerful firearms
there are pirate ships. there is no way the prince has that level of control over society.
the thing that stopped renaissance era people having guns was poverty and the manual effort of making good barrels.
the thing that allows gun control now is lack of interest. you could build a gun better than those from the renaissance using hardware store scrap.
Left. The side with the eye patch and stump. Not hard to puzzle together but there she is on the right all the same. Didn’t even have the good sense to have a secret machine gun under her hat. I blame the booze for such a sorry situation. Drink responsibly, kids!
In Marah’s defense, it looks like they ran in the direction of the guy that Cap’n shot, which would have put her on his right judging by their positioning in the first panel.
I like the cap’n even more with each passing comic. Hee hee~
all she needs to do is tell a gunsmith how shotgun cartridges and bullets work and rovolvers would be a thing pretty quick.
I mean, probably most 12 year old girls don’t know how that stuff works?
true. probably.
youtube, computer games and interest in science would answer that one.
describing basic modern gun ideas to a renaissance smith would probably result in several “d’oh” moments.
“if you put the ball and powder in a wax paper tube, and have the hammer thing hit that to set it off then you could fire quickly” = break action shotgun
especially after telling the captain “not where i come from”. thats a thing that would stick in the mind of any 16th century commander.
I’m 24, and I still don’t know.
If I took the time to think about it I could probably basically describe how a gun works. And I suppose if I had the right tools and time I could build one. But theres a lot of stuff about guns that i just have no idea about.
Even just a vague description of modern firearms and ammunition could probably revolutionize the industry just by getting the manufacturers thinking about designs that might not have occurred to anyone for generations, skipping over decades or centuries of development.
Maybe. As I said in another response, there are all kinds of weird guns in Yeld. but they’re not particularly common or well known, and tend to be rare treasures owned by rich people. So someone in Yeld is making guns that are more than just a standard musket, but the captain has never seen one.
Not really. if there was a physical example for them, then maybe. But there are plenty of key problems that you would have to solve.
You have to go through the extensive testing of primers and casing. And then there is the question of whether the gunsmith could manufacture enough to keep up with demand? Otherwise, the revolver is useless.
Musket style weapons have an advantage that you only need very bare bones logistics. A barrell of gunpowder can be handled by the user as needed for various weapons. And the pirate’s favorite- the blunderbuss- shows that even bullets can be optional as long as you have an appropriate mass of metal junk on hand.
Pepper boxes are a more practical option when you have these kind of tech and manufacturing issues.
The issue isn’t with “knowing how they work,” the issue is with manufacturing.
The key to developing more advanced firearms is having a high enough precision in your manufacturing.
I read accounts from the 1800’s where people were amazed to find it possible to take a bolt from one rifle and it fit into another one.
The idea of having a completely self-enclosed cartridge in a firearm is just sci-fi nonsense unless you can get them all made to the exact same size and all fit into different rifles of the same style. Otherwise your gun will jam literally every shot.
When they make it back to the ship with crazy tales of multi-shot guns will Carlos try to upgrade the cannons? I’m sure Carlos will point out that stabbing is superior because you don’t have to reload a sword making Carlos want to upgrade the guns. Of course you can’t go pirating if all of your cannons are being experimented on, so in his wisdom Captain Jasper will just keep the mad ramblings of this girl to himself.
I’m sure Carlos is always going on about guns anyway.
Well, there could be pepper boxes. Which are basically just musket style pistols with a ton of extra barrels that you can rotate around for the next shot. It was a precursor to the revolver.
Of course, I would imagine they are relatively dangerous in actual practice. Particularly with the craftsmanship and maintenance you’d expect from pirate weapons. Even if you’ve seen videos of them firing, those are usually replicas or well maintained antiques that were well made to begin with.
Yeld does have some weird guns, but they are few and far between, and mostly custom made for the rich or restricted to the royal armies. So the Captain has probably never seen them. These are all from the Yeld RPG:
This looks like it MAY be a revolver of some kind? Used by some Crimson Ministry and Soul Thief assassins.
Its listed as a “Clockwork” gun, but its probably magic powered.
These cannon sized fairy Calvary guns are probably the most common firearm in Yeld. Most people couldn’t even lift them.
Goblins have their own tech.
Good morning!
Then not Than.
The real question is, why did Jaspar waste his one shot on the tooth facer? Considering he’s basically a bag of bugs, shooting him doesn’t seem likely to be very effective. Shooting either of the other too would accomplish more.